From tim.murphy at boeing.com Mon Mar 2 17:16:48 2015 From: tim.murphy at boeing.com (Murphy, Tim) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 00:16:48 +0000 Subject: [Nspcsg] VSG Teleconference Message-ID: <95212778F0437B47B0CD13F004B2ABBE20954828@XCH-BLV-404.nw.nos.boeing.com> When: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:00 AM-8:00 AM (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada). Where: Virtual Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* VSG and CSG Members, Per our agreement in Ishigaki, we will have a teleconference at 6 AM Seattle time tomorrow to review the validation matrix and make sure that all non-green items are assigned to someone, or some subgroup. The Webex/Teleconference information is given below. Tim TOPIC: ICAO NSP Validation Subgroup Meeting DATE: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 TIME: 6:15 pm, Pacific Standard Time (Seattle, GMT-08:00) _____________________________________ 1. JOIN WEBEX 2. Get YOUR audio information from the WebEx pop-up 3. 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I did it as carefully as I could but knowing me (plus I did the job during the night to deliver it early in the morning to Montreal) it is quite likely that I have introduced some errors. Sorry, but that had to be done at some stage in the process, and the earlier it is done the more chances there are that problems I have introduced can be fixed at some point. 2) The language sections also demand editable versions of all the new figures, so they can change the legends. 3) I assume that the additional papers requested by CSG WP24 will be delivered to me at some point. Back to the Commission now. Thanks Alessandro -----Original Appointment----- From: Murphy, Tim [mailto:tim.murphy at boeing.com] Sent: 2-Mar-15 7:17 PM To: 'nspcsg at aeronav.net'; Rick Cassell; Naerlich, Stefan Subject: [Nspcsg] VSG Teleconference When: 3-Mar-15 06:00-08:00 (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada). Where: Virtual When: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:00 AM-8:00 AM (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada). Where: Virtual Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* VSG and CSG Members, Per our agreement in Ishigaki, we will have a teleconference at 6 AM Seattle time tomorrow to review the validation matrix and make sure that all non-green items are assigned to someone, or some subgroup. The Webex/Teleconference information is given below. Tim TOPIC: ICAO NSP Validation Subgroup Meeting DATE: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 TIME: 6:15 pm, Pacific Standard Time (Seattle, GMT-08:00) _____________________________________ 1. JOIN WEBEX 2. Get YOUR audio information from the WebEx pop-up 3. Join the Audio: Follow the prompts and enter Attendee ID if prompted _________________________________________________ Attendee: https://boeing.webex.com/boeing/j.php?MTID=m40395dfc3d48b6875f3a632a134ddbda Meeting links work for SmartPhones and most other mobile devices! 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The Agenda is as follows: o CSG/VSG review of inspection papers o Review and disposition of Flimsy 2 from Ishigaki Meeting o Review of WP-B draft o Status of actions o Planning for Montreal Meeting Please send me your papers so as soon as they are ready so a paper number can be assigned. This is an official meeting of the CSG, and a webspace will be set up for it; But that might not happen before the meeting. I'll distribute the papers via the mailing list prior to the teleconference. Thanks Tim Murphy TOPIC: ICAO NSP CSG Subgroup Meeting DATE: Friday, March 13, 2015 TIME: 6:00 am, Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco, GMT-07:00) 1. JOIN WEBEX 2. Get YOUR audio information from the WebEx pop-up 3. 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Name: Mar15_CSG_Working_Papers and Flimsys 150312.zap Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1146572 bytes Desc: Mar15_CSG_Working_Papers and Flimsys 150312.zap URL: From Andre.SCHUETTPELZ at thalesgroup.com Fri Mar 13 02:02:38 2015 From: Andre.SCHUETTPELZ at thalesgroup.com (SCHUETTPELZ Andre) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 08:02:38 +0000 Subject: [Nspcsg] Papers and Flimsy for the CSG Meeting on 3/13th In-Reply-To: <95212778F0437B47B0CD13F004B2ABBE2098E45D@XCH-BLV-404.nw.nos.boeing.com> References: <95212778F0437B47B0CD13F004B2ABBE2098E45D@XCH-BLV-404.nw.nos.boeing.com> Message-ID: <376ca1e648774241bddbdb94a7b13de0@THSUMIDEUMSG01P.deu.umi.grp> Dear Tim, dear all, please find attached a further paper, covering the review of SARPs sections B1 - B3.5 and D07.11, D07.12. Please note that a small adaption is proposed to achieve a consistent representation in the multiple VDB transmit antenna guidance material (D 07.11.4). Best regards, Andr? Von: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] Im Auftrag von Murphy, Tim Gesendet: Freitag, 13. M?rz 2015 06:00 An: 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' Betreff: [Nspcsg] Papers and Flimsy for the CSG Meeting on 3/13th CSG Members, Attached is a zip file (re-classed as a zap file, just change the extension back to zip to open) with all the WPs and Flimsys to be discussed at our teleconference meeting 3/13 - 6 AM Seattle time. Note the agenda in Flimsy 1. Thanks Tim Murphy Senior Technical Fellow Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Airplane Systems (425) 965-6744 Cell (425) 280-6844 Fax (425) 342-5812 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kind regards, Laurent AZOULAI GNSS - Landing Systems Expert Engineering Navigation Systems - EYAN AIRBUS OPERATIONS SAS Phone : +33 (0)5 61 18 72 51 Mobile : +33 (0)6 83 57 62 87 Fax : +33 (0)5 61 18 43 25 Mailto: laurent.azoulai at airbus.com > De : Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] De la part de Murphy, Tim Envoy? : vendredi 13 mars 2015 06:00 ? : 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' Objet : [Nspcsg] Papers and Flimsy for the CSG Meeting on 3/13th CSG Members, Attached is a zip file (re-classed as a zap file, just change the extension back to zip to open) with all the WPs and Flimsys to be discussed at our teleconference meeting 3/13 - 6 AM Seattle time. Note the agenda in Flimsy 1. Thanks Tim Murphy Senior Technical Fellow Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Airplane Systems (425) 965-6744 Cell (425) 280-6844 Fax (425) 342-5812 The information in this e-mail is confidential. The contents may not be disclosed or used by anyone other than the addressee. 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I realise that Barbara's validation has an impact on Flimsy 2, so these two should be taken together. I am just updating Ricks validation matrix with my, Laurent and Andr?'s contributions - will circulate just before the telecom. Regards, Andreas From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of AZOULAI, Laurent Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 10:54 AM To: tim.murphy at boeing.com; 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' Subject: Re: [Nspcsg] Papers and Flimsy for the CSG Meeting on 3/13th Dear Tim and all, Please find attached a WP to cover my review of the SARPS unchanged sections assigned to me in the validation matrix. Kind regards, Laurent AZOULAI GNSS - Landing Systems Expert Engineering Navigation Systems - EYAN AIRBUS OPERATIONS SAS Phone : +33 (0)5 61 18 72 51 Mobile : +33 (0)6 83 57 62 87 Fax : +33 (0)5 61 18 43 25 Mailto: laurent.azoulai at airbus.com > De : Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] De la part de Murphy, Tim Envoy? : vendredi 13 mars 2015 06:00 ? : 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' Objet : [Nspcsg] Papers and Flimsy for the CSG Meeting on 3/13th CSG Members, Attached is a zip file (re-classed as a zap file, just change the extension back to zip to open) with all the WPs and Flimsys to be discussed at our teleconference meeting 3/13 - 6 AM Seattle time. Note the agenda in Flimsy 1. Thanks Tim Murphy Senior Technical Fellow Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Airplane Systems (425) 965-6744 Cell (425) 280-6844 Fax (425) 342-5812 The information in this e-mail is confidential. The contents may not be disclosed or used by anyone other than the addressee. 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Please note that a small adaption is proposed to achieve a consistent representation in the multiple VDB transmit antenna guidance material (D 07.11.4). Best regards, Andr? Von: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] Im Auftrag von Murphy, Tim Gesendet: Freitag, 13. M?rz 2015 06:00 An: 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' Betreff: [Nspcsg] Papers and Flimsy for the CSG Meeting on 3/13th CSG Members, Attached is a zip file (re-classed as a zap file, just change the extension back to zip to open) with all the WPs and Flimsys to be discussed at our teleconference meeting 3/13 - 6 AM Seattle time. Note the agenda in Flimsy 1. Thanks Tim Murphy Senior Technical Fellow Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Airplane Systems (425) 965-6744 Cell (425) 280-6844 Fax (425) 342-5812 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kind regards, Laurent AZOULAI GNSS - Landing Systems Expert Engineering Navigation Systems - EYAN AIRBUS OPERATIONS SAS Phone : +33 (0)5 61 18 72 51 Mobile : +33 (0)6 83 57 62 87 Fax : +33 (0)5 61 18 43 25 Mailto: laurent.azoulai at airbus.com > De : Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] De la part de Murphy, Tim Envoy? : vendredi 13 mars 2015 06:00 ? : 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' Objet : [Nspcsg] Papers and Flimsy for the CSG Meeting on 3/13th CSG Members, Attached is a zip file (re-classed as a zap file, just change the extension back to zip to open) with all the WPs and Flimsys to be discussed at our teleconference meeting 3/13 - 6 AM Seattle time. Note the agenda in Flimsy 1. Thanks Tim Murphy Senior Technical Fellow Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Airplane Systems (425) 965-6744 Cell (425) 280-6844 Fax (425) 342-5812 The information in this e-mail is confidential. The contents may not be disclosed or used by anyone other than the addressee. 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I realise that Barbara's validation has an impact on Flimsy 2, so these two should be taken together. I am just updating Ricks validation matrix with my, Laurent and Andr?'s contributions - will circulate just before the telecom. Regards, Andreas From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of AZOULAI, Laurent Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 10:54 AM To: tim.murphy at boeing.com; 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' Subject: Re: [Nspcsg] Papers and Flimsy for the CSG Meeting on 3/13th Dear Tim and all, Please find attached a WP to cover my review of the SARPS unchanged sections assigned to me in the validation matrix. Kind regards, Laurent AZOULAI GNSS - Landing Systems Expert Engineering Navigation Systems - EYAN AIRBUS OPERATIONS SAS Phone : +33 (0)5 61 18 72 51 Mobile : +33 (0)6 83 57 62 87 Fax : +33 (0)5 61 18 43 25 Mailto: laurent.azoulai at airbus.com > De : Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] De la part de Murphy, Tim Envoy? : vendredi 13 mars 2015 06:00 ? : 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' Objet : [Nspcsg] Papers and Flimsy for the CSG Meeting on 3/13th CSG Members, Attached is a zip file (re-classed as a zap file, just change the extension back to zip to open) with all the WPs and Flimsys to be discussed at our teleconference meeting 3/13 - 6 AM Seattle time. Note the agenda in Flimsy 1. Thanks Tim Murphy Senior Technical Fellow Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Airplane Systems (425) 965-6744 Cell (425) 280-6844 Fax (425) 342-5812 The information in this e-mail is confidential. The contents may not be disclosed or used by anyone other than the addressee. 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That is what we can do with the tools we have. We get the same results as you did for the message including the CRC. Do we need to write a brief paper on it, or will this e-mail do? Linda From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Murphy, Tim Sent: 14. mars 2015 01:26 To: 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' Cc: Harris, Matt Subject: [Nspcsg] Mar15_CSG_wp07 GAST D Validation Table D-8B - Rev 1.docx CSG members, Attached is a revised version of WP 7 from today's meeting. The WP has the revised version of Table D-8B with the additional change that we agreed to make today, i.e. to change the GAD from "B3" to "C4". All the CRC's FEC' and so forth have been recomputed. So this should be the new baseline for the validation discussed in the paper. Baraba Clark, Can you make sure Tin gets this paper as I don't seem to have her email address anymore. Honeywell, Thales and Indranavia, .. please advise if you will be able to cross check the computation as soon as possible. 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Best regards, Susumu Saito > Dear Tim, > > We have verified the coding of the message and the computation of the CRC. That is what we can do with the tools we have. We get the same results as you did for the message including the CRC. > > Do we need to write a brief paper on it, or will this e-mail do? > > Linda > > From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Murphy, Tim > Sent: 14. mars 2015 01:26 > To: 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' > Cc: Harris, Matt > Subject: [Nspcsg] Mar15_CSG_wp07 GAST D Validation Table D-8B - Rev 1.docx > > CSG members, > > Attached is a revised version of WP 7 from today?s meeting. The WP has the revised version of Table D-8B with the additional change that we agreed to make today, i.e. to change the GAD from ?B3? to ?C4?. All the CRC?s FEC? and so forth have been recomputed. So this should be the new baseline for the validation discussed in the paper. > > Baraba Clark, Can you make sure Tin gets this paper as I don?t seem to have her email address anymore. > > Honeywell, Thales and Indranavia, .. please advise if you will be able to cross check the computation as soon as possible. > > Thanks > Tim Murphy > Senior Technical Fellow > Boeing Commercial Airplane Group > Electronic Systems > (425) 965-6744 <-NEW! > Cell (425) 280-6844 > Fax (425) 342-5812 > > > _______________________________________________ > Nspcsg mailing list > Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com > http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net From k-suzuki at hq.jp.nec.com Wed Mar 25 07:11:51 2015 From: k-suzuki at hq.jp.nec.com (Kazushi Suzuki) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 13:11:51 +0000 Subject: [Nspcsg] Mar15_CSG_wp07 GAST D Validation Table D-8B - Rev1.docx Message-ID: <6E95FEE47F872049BC617D8B65DD3D1ED74FB8@BPXM15GP.gisp.nec.co.jp> Dear Tim, Since Linda and Saito-san have verified the Table D-8B up to CRC field, I have cross checked input to / output from bit scrambling, and D8PSK modulation. As a result, I have found two disagreements with your result as shown below: (1) Output from bit scrambling A series of bits from 0x78 appeared in the second row from the bottom to 0x3F appeared in the last raw should be deleted. Looks like editorial issue. (2) Fill bits As length of scrambled data is 1,729 bits, number of fill bits needed should be 2, instead of 1. SSID : 3 bits Transmission len. : 17 bits Training seq. FEC : 5 bits Msg. Block Header : 48 bits Msg. Block 1 (MT2): 344 bits Msg. Block 2 (MT3): 1312 bits ------------------------------ total : 1729 bits mod(1729,3)=1 -> needs two fill bits Also, I have some editorial findings; they are shown in the attached document using "comment function" of Microsoft Word. Regards, ------------------------------------------------- KAZUSHI Suzuki NEC Corporation ATC/NAV SYSTEM DEPARTMENT RADIO APPLICATION DIVISION Phone : +81-42-333-1590 e-mail: k-suzuki at hq.jp.nec.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Susumu > Saito > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 9:51 PM > To: Tim Murphy > Cc: Matt Harris; nspcsg at aeronav.net > Subject: Re: [Nspcsg] Mar15_CSG_wp07 GAST D Validation Table D-8B - Rev > 1.docx > > Dear Tim, > > I have also obtained the same CRC values in the Table D8-B of > WP07 of Mar15 CSG virtual meeting. > > Best regards, > > Susumu Saito > > > Dear Tim, > > > > We have verified the coding of the message and the computation of the > CRC. That is what we can do with the tools we have. We get the same results > as you did for the message including the CRC. > > > > Do we need to write a brief paper on it, or will this e-mail do? > > > > Linda > > > > From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Murphy, > Tim > > Sent: 14. mars 2015 01:26 > > To: 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' > > Cc: Harris, Matt > > Subject: [Nspcsg] Mar15_CSG_wp07 GAST D Validation Table D-8B - Rev > 1.docx > > > > CSG members, > > > > Attached is a revised version of WP 7 from today?s meeting. The WP > has the revised version of Table D-8B with the additional change that > we agreed to make today, i.e. to change the GAD from ?B3? to ?C4?. All > the CRC?s FEC? and so forth have been recomputed. So this should be > the new baseline for the validation discussed in the paper. > > > > Baraba Clark, Can you make sure Tin gets this paper as I don?t seem > to have her email address anymore. > > > > Honeywell, Thales and Indranavia, .. please advise if you will be able > to cross check the computation as soon as possible. > > > > Thanks > > Tim Murphy > > Senior Technical Fellow > > Boeing Commercial Airplane Group > > Electronic Systems > > (425) 965-6744 <-NEW! > > Cell (425) 280-6844 > > Fax (425) 342-5812 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nspcsg mailing list > > Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com > > http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nspcsg mailing list > Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com > http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Should we make it into a separate working paper from yours? Best regards, Susumu Saito > Dear Tim, > > Since Linda and Saito-san have verified the Table D-8B up to CRC field, > I have cross checked input to / output from bit scrambling, and D8PSK modulation. > > As a result, I have found two disagreements with your result as shown below: > (1) Output from bit scrambling > A series of bits from 0x78 appeared in the second row from the bottom to > 0x3F appeared in the last raw should be deleted. > Looks like editorial issue. > > (2) Fill bits > As length of scrambled data is 1,729 bits, number of fill bits needed should be 2, > instead of 1. > > SSID : 3 bits > Transmission len. : 17 bits > Training seq. FEC : 5 bits > Msg. Block Header : 48 bits > Msg. Block 1 (MT2): 344 bits > Msg. Block 2 (MT3): 1312 bits > ------------------------------ > total : 1729 bits > > mod(1729,3)=1 -> needs two fill bits > > > Also, I have some editorial findings; they are shown in > the attached document using "comment function" of Microsoft Word. > > Regards, > > ------------------------------------------------- > KAZUSHI Suzuki > NEC Corporation > ATC/NAV SYSTEM DEPARTMENT > RADIO APPLICATION DIVISION > Phone : +81-42-333-1590 > e-mail: k-suzuki at hq.jp.nec.com > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Susumu >> Saito >> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 9:51 PM >> To: Tim Murphy >> Cc: Matt Harris; nspcsg at aeronav.net >> Subject: Re: [Nspcsg] Mar15_CSG_wp07 GAST D Validation Table D-8B - Rev >> 1.docx >> >> Dear Tim, >> >> I have also obtained the same CRC values in the Table D8-B of >> WP07 of Mar15 CSG virtual meeting. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Susumu Saito >> >>> Dear Tim, >>> >>> We have verified the coding of the message and the computation of the >> CRC. That is what we can do with the tools we have. We get the same results >> as you did for the message including the CRC. >>> >>> Do we need to write a brief paper on it, or will this e-mail do? >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Murphy, >> Tim >>> Sent: 14. mars 2015 01:26 >>> To: 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' >>> Cc: Harris, Matt >>> Subject: [Nspcsg] Mar15_CSG_wp07 GAST D Validation Table D-8B - Rev >> 1.docx >>> >>> CSG members, >>> >>> Attached is a revised version of WP 7 from today?s meeting. The WP >> has the revised version of Table D-8B with the additional change that >> we agreed to make today, i.e. to change the GAD from ?B3? to ?C4?. All >> the CRC?s FEC? and so forth have been recomputed. So this should be >> the new baseline for the validation discussed in the paper. >>> >>> Baraba Clark, Can you make sure Tin gets this paper as I don?t seem >> to have her email address anymore. >>> >>> Honeywell, Thales and Indranavia, .. please advise if you will be able >> to cross check the computation as soon as possible. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Tim Murphy >>> Senior Technical Fellow >>> Boeing Commercial Airplane Group >>> Electronic Systems >>> (425) 965-6744 <-NEW! >>> Cell (425) 280-6844 >>> Fax (425) 342-5812 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nspcsg mailing list >>> Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com >>> http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nspcsg mailing list >> Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com >> http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net > _______________________________________________ > Nspcsg mailing list > Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com > http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please note that we have simplified this version with respect to the full matrix maintained by the VSG: A number of less relevant columns have been hidden and the names of the actionnees removed from the validated sections. Besides the red and green sections, some blue sections remain - the validation has been completed at the march CSG teleconference, but the companion WP to WP3 with these changes is not yet published and reviewed. Best regards From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Murphy, Tim Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 6:03 PM To: 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' Subject: [Nspcsg] Mar15_CSG_NSP1_WP_xx_GAST D Proposal Paper - Rev3.1.docx CSG members, Attached is WP B as it stands after our editing session yesterday and after incorporating comments received so far. This is the final call for comments, but COB tomorrow (3/26) please. Thanks Tim Murphy Senior Technical Fellow Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Electronic Systems (425) 965-6744 <-NEW! 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For those who provided validation paper to the March 13th meeting, please check this paper to ensure that any changes proposed by you (and accepted by the CSG during the meeting) have been accurately captured. Since this paper is already late relative to Alessandro's deadline, please complete this review by COB Monday 3/30. Thanks Tim Murphy Senior Technical Fellow Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Electronic Systems (425) 965-6744 <-NEW! Cell (425) 280-6844 Fax (425) 342-5812 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Murphy, Tim Sent: 29-Mar-15 12:49 AM To: 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' Subject: [Nspcsg] NSP1_wpxx_Additional Changes to GAST D Proposal Post translation deadline v1.docx CSG Members, Attached is a draft working paper that attempts to capture all of the editorial changes that have been proposed for the SARPS in addition to the baseline that has been submitted as WP 3 for NSP1. These changes are the result of the validation activities that were reviewed at the March 13th Virutal meeting of CSG. For those who provided validation paper to the March 13th meeting, please check this paper to ensure that any changes proposed by you (and accepted by the CSG during the meeting) have been accurately captured. Since this paper is already late relative to Alessandro's deadline, please complete this review by COB Monday 3/30. Thanks Tim Murphy Senior Technical Fellow Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Electronic Systems (425) 965-6744 <-NEW! 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The concluding shaded string of ?78 1D 39 B5 C4 2B 69 FD 04 CA 68 81 07 9A 1E 33 C1 86 F5 F5 40 E3 1C 3F? is duplicated and should be deleted. 2. We also agree that the value for the fill bits should be 2 rather than 1. Note that the binary representation of the fill bit needs to change from ?0? to ?00?. 3. The final three characters in the D8PSK are ?66 6? could not be confirmed as being correct. We believe they are a result of the power ramp-down but cannot confirm that a power ramp-down of ?000 000 000? results in ?66 6?. Hope this helps. Bruce Bruce Johnson Engineering Fellow Systems Analyst - Safety Engineering Guidance & Navigation COE 8840 Evergreen Blvd, MN51-1250 Minneapolis, MN 55433 USA Phone +1 (763) 957-4375 Fax +1 (763) 957-3088 bruce.johnson at honeywell.com From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Susumu Saito Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 10:31 AM To: Tim Murphy Cc: Matt Harris; nspcsg at aeronav.net Subject: Re: [Nspcsg] Mar15_CSG_wp07 GAST D Validation Table D-8B - Rev1.docx Dear Tim, Now I have checked all the values of Table D-8B including Message CRC, FEC, inpput/output of bit scrambling, and D8PSK symbols. I obtained the same values except for the two items pointed out by Suzuki-san. The results is summarized in the attached document. Should we make it into a separate working paper from yours? Best regards, Susumu Saito > Dear Tim, > > Since Linda and Saito-san have verified the Table D-8B up to CRC field, > I have cross checked input to / output from bit scrambling, and D8PSK modulation. > > As a result, I have found two disagreements with your result as shown below: > (1) Output from bit scrambling > A series of bits from 0x78 appeared in the second row from the bottom to > 0x3F appeared in the last raw should be deleted. > Looks like editorial issue. > > (2) Fill bits > As length of scrambled data is 1,729 bits, number of fill bits needed should be 2, > instead of 1. > > SSID : 3 bits > Transmission len. : 17 bits > Training seq. FEC : 5 bits > Msg. Block Header : 48 bits > Msg. Block 1 (MT2): 344 bits > Msg. Block 2 (MT3): 1312 bits > ------------------------------ > total : 1729 bits > > mod(1729,3)=1 -> needs two fill bits > > > Also, I have some editorial findings; they are shown in > the attached document using "comment function" of Microsoft Word. > > Regards, > > ------------------------------------------------- > KAZUSHI Suzuki > NEC Corporation > ATC/NAV SYSTEM DEPARTMENT > RADIO APPLICATION DIVISION > Phone : +81-42-333-1590 > e-mail: k-suzuki at hq.jp.nec.com > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Susumu >> Saito >> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 9:51 PM >> To: Tim Murphy >> Cc: Matt Harris; nspcsg at aeronav.net >> Subject: Re: [Nspcsg] Mar15_CSG_wp07 GAST D Validation Table D-8B - Rev >> 1.docx >> >> Dear Tim, >> >> I have also obtained the same CRC values in the Table D8-B of >> WP07 of Mar15 CSG virtual meeting. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Susumu Saito >> >>> Dear Tim, >>> >>> We have verified the coding of the message and the computation of the >> CRC. That is what we can do with the tools we have. We get the same results >> as you did for the message including the CRC. >>> >>> Do we need to write a brief paper on it, or will this e-mail do? >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Murphy, >> Tim >>> Sent: 14. mars 2015 01:26 >>> To: 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' >>> Cc: Harris, Matt >>> Subject: [Nspcsg] Mar15_CSG_wp07 GAST D Validation Table D-8B - Rev >> 1.docx >>> >>> CSG members, >>> >>> Attached is a revised version of WP 7 from today?s meeting. The WP >> has the revised version of Table D-8B with the additional change that >> we agreed to make today, i.e. to change the GAD from ?B3? to ?C4?. All >> the CRC?s FEC? and so forth have been recomputed. So this should be >> the new baseline for the validation discussed in the paper. >>> >>> Baraba Clark, Can you make sure Tin gets this paper as I don?t seem >> to have her email address anymore. >>> >>> Honeywell, Thales and Indranavia, .. please advise if you will be able >> to cross check the computation as soon as possible. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Tim Murphy >>> Senior Technical Fellow >>> Boeing Commercial Airplane Group >>> Electronic Systems >>> (425) 965-6744 <-NEW! >>> Cell (425) 280-6844 >>> Fax (425) 342-5812 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nspcsg mailing list >>> Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com >>> http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nspcsg mailing list >> Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com >> http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net > _______________________________________________ > Nspcsg mailing list > Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com > http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net _______________________________________________ Nspcsg mailing list Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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