From susaito at enri.go.jp Wed Apr 1 00:59:20 2015 From: susaito at enri.go.jp (Susumu Saito) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 15:59:20 +0900 Subject: [Nspcsg] Mar15_CSG_wp07 GAST D Validation Table D-8B - Rev1.docx In-Reply-To: <053FBD960029E548B71065D9ACF500CA08C8788D@de08ex3005.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <6E95FEE47F872049BC617D8B65DD3D1ED74FB8@BPXM15GP.gisp.nec.co.jp> <7DC96A6B-CEF4-45F9-AD34-C7E39BC4C9CB@enri.go.jp> <053FBD960029E548B71065D9ACF500CA08C8788D@de08ex3005.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <92743485-8038-4FAB-B7B8-98A78864B169@enri.go.jp> Dear Bruce, I calculated D8PSK symbols independently and got "66 6" for the last three symbols. Since the last symbol before "66 6" is "6" and the power ramp-down bits "000 000 000" results in differential phases of "0 0 0", the corresponding symbols should be "6 6 6". Best regards, Susumu Saito ===== Susumu Saito, Dr. Chief Researcher Navigation Systems Department Electronic Navigation Research Institute 7-42-23, Jindaiji-Higashi, Chofu, Tokyo 182-0012 Japan Tel: +81 422 41 3191 Fax: +81 422 41 3199 e-mail: susaito at enri.go.jp > Tim, > > Honeywell (Joe Scheitlin) has completed our validation of the message as well. Sorry for the delay as it took longer than planned to find the tool. > > 1. We concur with the error in the output from the bit scrambling noted by Kazusi Suzuki. The concluding shaded string of ?78 1D 39 B5 C4 2B 69 FD 04 CA 68 81 07 9A 1E 33 C1 86 F5 F5 40 E3 1C 3F? is duplicated and should be deleted. > > 2. We also agree that the value for the fill bits should be 2 rather than 1. Note that the binary representation of the fill bit needs to change from ?0? to ?00?. > > 3. The final three characters in the D8PSK are ?66 6? could not be confirmed as being correct. We believe they are a result of the power ramp-down but cannot confirm that a power ramp-down of ?000 000 000? results in ?66 6?. > > Hope this helps. > > Bruce > > Bruce Johnson > Engineering Fellow > Systems Analyst - Safety Engineering > > Guidance & Navigation COE > 8840 Evergreen Blvd, MN51-1250 > Minneapolis, MN 55433 USA > Phone +1 (763) 957-4375 > Fax +1 (763) 957-3088 > bruce.johnson at honeywell.com > > From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Susumu Saito > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 10:31 AM > To: Tim Murphy > Cc: Matt Harris; nspcsg at aeronav.net > Subject: Re: [Nspcsg] Mar15_CSG_wp07 GAST D Validation Table D-8B - Rev1.docx > > Dear Tim, > > Now I have checked all the values of Table D-8B > including Message CRC, FEC, inpput/output of > bit scrambling, and D8PSK symbols. > > I obtained the same values except for the two items > pointed out by Suzuki-san. > > The results is summarized in the attached document. > Should we make it into a separate working paper from > yours? > > Best regards, > > Susumu Saito > > > Dear Tim, > > > > Since Linda and Saito-san have verified the Table D-8B up to CRC field, > > I have cross checked input to / output from bit scrambling, and D8PSK modulation. > > > > As a result, I have found two disagreements with your result as shown below: > > (1) Output from bit scrambling > > A series of bits from 0x78 appeared in the second row from the bottom to > > 0x3F appeared in the last raw should be deleted. > > Looks like editorial issue. > > > > (2) Fill bits > > As length of scrambled data is 1,729 bits, number of fill bits needed should be 2, > > instead of 1. > > > > SSID : 3 bits > > Transmission len. : 17 bits > > Training seq. FEC : 5 bits > > Msg. Block Header : 48 bits > > Msg. Block 1 (MT2): 344 bits > > Msg. Block 2 (MT3): 1312 bits > > ------------------------------ > > total : 1729 bits > > > > mod(1729,3)=1 -> needs two fill bits > > > > > > Also, I have some editorial findings; they are shown in > > the attached document using "comment function" of Microsoft Word. > > > > Regards, > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > KAZUSHI Suzuki > > NEC Corporation > > ATC/NAV SYSTEM DEPARTMENT > > RADIO APPLICATION DIVISION > > Phone : +81-42-333-1590 > > e-mail: k-suzuki at hq.jp.nec.com > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Susumu > >> Saito > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 9:51 PM > >> To: Tim Murphy > >> Cc: Matt Harris; nspcsg at aeronav.net > >> Subject: Re: [Nspcsg] Mar15_CSG_wp07 GAST D Validation Table D-8B - Rev > >> 1.docx > >> > >> Dear Tim, > >> > >> I have also obtained the same CRC values in the Table D8-B of > >> WP07 of Mar15 CSG virtual meeting. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Susumu Saito > >> > >>> Dear Tim, > >>> > >>> We have verified the coding of the message and the computation of the > >> CRC. That is what we can do with the tools we have. We get the same results > >> as you did for the message including the CRC. > >>> > >>> Do we need to write a brief paper on it, or will this e-mail do? > >>> > >>> Linda > >>> > >>> From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Murphy, > >> Tim > >>> Sent: 14. mars 2015 01:26 > >>> To: 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' > >>> Cc: Harris, Matt > >>> Subject: [Nspcsg] Mar15_CSG_wp07 GAST D Validation Table D-8B - Rev > >> 1.docx > >>> > >>> CSG members, > >>> > >>> Attached is a revised version of WP 7 from today?s meeting. The WP > >> has the revised version of Table D-8B with the additional change that > >> we agreed to make today, i.e. to change the GAD from ?B3? to ?C4?. All > >> the CRC?s FEC? and so forth have been recomputed. So this should be > >> the new baseline for the validation discussed in the paper. > >>> > >>> Baraba Clark, Can you make sure Tin gets this paper as I don?t seem > >> to have her email address anymore. > >>> > >>> Honeywell, Thales and Indranavia, .. please advise if you will be able > >> to cross check the computation as soon as possible. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> Tim Murphy > >>> Senior Technical Fellow > >>> Boeing Commercial Airplane Group > >>> Electronic Systems > >>> (425) 965-6744 <-NEW! > >>> Cell (425) 280-6844 > >>> Fax (425) 342-5812 > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Nspcsg mailing list > >>> Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com > >>> http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Nspcsg mailing list > >> Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com > >> http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Nspcsg mailing list > > Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com > > http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net > > _______________________________________________ > Nspcsg mailing list > Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com > http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net From ACapretti at icao.int Tue Apr 7 06:34:34 2015 From: ACapretti at icao.int (Capretti, Alessandro) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 12:34:34 +0000 Subject: [Nspcsg] CSG is in Conference Room 6 this week Message-ID: <0D4CE800C9DE31478016F5594CAF8B4C020A2CC96E@ExchDB1.icaohq.icao.lan> Dear CSG Welcome to Montreal. 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(Propose to delete final half-sentence) - Pls add my name to the last action #185 Thanks for your intensive work. - Stefan Am 11.04.2015 um 17:28 schrieb Murphy, Tim >: CSG Members, Attached is a draft of the CSG meeting report. Please provide any comments/repairs by 4/12 5 PM Montreal time so I can include them in the next version that will be released as a flimsy. If you can't make that deadline, I will be asking for any final changes by 4/21 COB before the report is finalized. Thanks Tim Murphy Senior Technical Fellow Communications, Navigation and Surveillance - BCA - Airplane Systems Office (425) 965-6744 - Cell (425) 280-6844 - Fax (425) 342-5812 _______________________________________________ Nspcsg mailing list Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I presented the old documentation on the original action item and got feedback from the group on how to pursue it in light of the matured GAST D concept.) Closed in Ishigaki. Action was made obsolete by the WLSQ weighting matrix assessment and the dual solution comparison requirement. (I can't find the Ishigaki CSG report or revised action log at the output of that meeting.) 137 - Flimsy 8 Feb 2015 Ishigaki 173 - Flimsy 3 Feb 2015 Ishigaki 176 - Flimsy 4 Feb 2015 Ishigaki 180 - WP-4 Feb 2015 Ishigaki + I thought maybe there was something after this. Someone with validation matrix access should check. It would likely be noted for Appendix B Section 3.6.8.3.3.2 and 3.6.8.3.3.3.1. Editorials..... Section 1.0 - Update meeting reference The CSG held several teleconferences since the joint CSG/VSG meeting in Ishigaki (February 2015) to advance the work of the group and prepare for this meeting. Attachment with Working Papers - Update meeting reference LIST OF WORKING PAPERS for CSG Meeting - April 7-10 , 2015 -Montreal, Canada - Barbara From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Naerlich, Stefan Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 1:15 AM To: Murphy, Tim Cc: nspcsg at aeronav.net Subject: Re: [Nspcsg] NSP1_Flimsy_16_CSG_report - 150411.docx Tim - This is fine by me with only a few additions - Text in the title on the first page overlaps - The following text needs correction: "....In addition a new area of work has been accepted: Extended Service Volume for GBAS. States and other interested stake holders have...." (Propose to delete final half-sentence) - Pls add my name to the last action #185 Thanks for your intensive work. - Stefan Am 11.04.2015 um 17:28 schrieb Murphy, Tim >: CSG Members, Attached is a draft of the CSG meeting report. Please provide any comments/repairs by 4/12 5 PM Montreal time so I can include them in the next version that will be released as a flimsy. If you can't make that deadline, I will be asking for any final changes by 4/21 COB before the report is finalized. Thanks Tim Murphy Senior Technical Fellow Communications, Navigation and Surveillance - BCA - Airplane Systems Office (425) 965-6744 - Cell (425) 280-6844 - Fax (425) 342-5812 _______________________________________________ Nspcsg mailing list Nspcsg at host412.hostmonster.com http://host412.hostmonster.com/mailman/listinfo/nspcsg_aeronav.net ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is desireable because" WP7 "(most noteably the validation matrix" WP15 "none substantively change the oval GAST D proposal as given in WP 3." WP9 "Changes consistent with this findings of this validation were already captured in WP 15." Daniel ________________________________ From: Nspcsg [mailto:nspcsg-bounces at aeronav.net] On Behalf Of Murphy, Tim Sent: 11 avril 2015 17:28 To: 'nspcsg at aeronav.net' Subject: [Nspcsg] NSP1_Flimsy_16_CSG_report - 150411.docx CSG Members, Attached is a draft of the CSG meeting report. Please provide any comments/repairs by 4/12 5 PM Montreal time so I can include them in the next version that will be released as a flimsy. If you can't make that deadline, I will be asking for any final changes by 4/21 COB before the report is finalized. 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Name: not available Type: text/calendar Size: 4842 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tim.murphy at boeing.com Tue Apr 21 13:53:29 2015 From: tim.murphy at boeing.com (Murphy, Tim) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:53:29 +0000 Subject: [Nspcsg] FW: NSP1_flimsy25_rev.1_Report of joint CSG-SSG_RTCA meeting_draft - for distribution Message-ID: <95212778F0437B47B0CD13F004B2ABBE20A1D277@XCH-BLV-404.nw.nos.boeing.com> CSG Members, Please review the draft CSG/SSG report material before the teleconference on Friday if possible. Thanks Tim Murphy Senior Technical Fellow Communications, Navigation and Surveillance - BCA - Airplane Systems Office (425) 965-6744 - Cell (425) 280-6844 - Fax (425) 342-5812 From: Butsch, Felix [mailto:felix.butsch at dfs.de] Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:49 AM To: Murphy, Tim; barbara.clark at faa.gov; Nyhus, Orville Subject: NSP1_flimsy25_rev.1_Report of joint CSG-SSG_RTCA meeting_draft - for distribution Dear colleagues, could you please distribute the attached draft report on the Joint CSG/SSG/RTCA meeting CSG and RTCA SC159 WG4 members for review! It would be helpful, if I would have the comments on Friday 24th of April in due time for our teleconference. Best regards Felix -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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