From tim.murphy at boeing.com Fri Oct 23 12:40:36 2020 From: tim.murphy at boeing.com (Murphy (US), Tim) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 18:40:36 +0000 Subject: [Iccaiansp] ICCAIA GWG Member Meeting Message-ID: <50507b63c14a46ca9f358129c51cd301@boeing.com> ICCAIA NSP Advisors, Please join me if you can for a discussion of a coordinated industry position with respect to the timeline for DFMC GBAS. I'd like to have this discussion and modify IP XX so that it can be a better coordinated industry position before it is submitted for NSP/6. So please read the draft (attached) and come ready to discuss any aspects of the paper that you may not agree with. Also note that Linda Lavik has prepared a proposed compromise schedule (shown below). I'd like to get everyone's views before we submit this IP under the ICCAIA banner. Thanks Tim Murphy Senior Technical Fellow Communications, Navigation and Surveillance - BCA - Airplane Systems Office (425) 965-6744 - Cell (425) 280-6844 - Fax (425) 342-5812 Linda's proposed revision to the paper: In the GWG telecon on October 14, there did not seem to be any clear conclusions, however, these are some takeaways: - A careful review of the concept is needed, with respect to other operational contexts and use cases than the approach, landing, rollout and take-off phases that the current GBAS concepts are standardized for (AI 232) - The view of the European Commission is that there is a need to target an accelerated timeline compared to the ones above - Input from RTCA is needed in order to consider the dependencies with the DFMC SBAS MOPS and the future DFMC GBAS MOPS (Jwgs4/WP35) The following draft timeline takes the two first considerations above into account, but must be revised to take input from RTCA into account. It is noted that this timeline is expected to require considerable effort from the relevant stakeholders. It is also noted this timeline is based on the assumption that the concept review concludes that the preferred concept is similar to the one investigated by and proposed by SESAR. Both aspects impose some risk on the timeline. 2021 Collect requirements from additional operational use cases, evaluate possible concepts against them Q4 2021 A high level concept (similar to the level of detail currently proposed by SESAR, with all options selected) agreed in ICAO and RTCA Q4 2022 A detailed concept paper agreed in ICAO and RTCA, similar level of detail as the 2009 GAST D concept paper GWG drafting group to start an update package to ICAO SARPs RTCA/EUROCAE to start drafting airborne MOPS Q4 2024? A baseline airborne MOPS Prototype airborne implementations for validation Q4 2025? 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Thanks Tim Murphy Senior Technical Fellow Communications, Navigation and Surveillance - BCA - Airplane Systems Office (425) 965-6744 - Cell (425) 280-6844 - Fax (425) 342-5812 Linda's proposed revision to the paper: In the GWG telecon on October 14, there did not seem to be any clear conclusions, however, these are some takeaways: - A careful review of the concept is needed, with respect to other operational contexts and use cases than the approach, landing, rollout and take-off phases that the current GBAS concepts are standardized for (AI 232) - The view of the European Commission is that there is a need to target an accelerated timeline compared to the ones above - Input from RTCA is needed in order to consider the dependencies with the DFMC SBAS MOPS and the future DFMC GBAS MOPS (Jwgs4/WP35) The following draft timeline takes the two first considerations above into account, but must be revised to take input from RTCA into account. It is noted that this timeline is expected to require considerable effort from the relevant stakeholders. It is also noted this timeline is based on the assumption that the concept review concludes that the preferred concept is similar to the one investigated by and proposed by SESAR. Both aspects impose some risk on the timeline. 2021 Collect requirements from additional operational use cases, evaluate possible concepts against them Q4 2021 A high level concept (similar to the level of detail currently proposed by SESAR, with all options selected) agreed in ICAO and RTCA Q4 2022 A detailed concept paper agreed in ICAO and RTCA, similar level of detail as the 2009 GAST D concept paper GWG drafting group to start an update package to ICAO SARPs RTCA/EUROCAE to start drafting airborne MOPS Q4 2024? A baseline airborne MOPS Prototype airborne implementations for validation Q4 2025? A baseline development SARPs for GAST F Prototype ground implementations for validation 2028 A validated GAST F SARPs ready for proposal to NSP -- Do not delete or change any of the following text. -- Join Webex meeting Meeting number: 144 619 4513 Meeting password: ZRywNaVi988 For a Non-Boeing Videoconferencing system: Dial: WebexMeetingNumber at boeing.webex.com Or Dial 173.243.2.68 and enter the Webex Meeting number Boeing Video Dialing Instructions Join by phone +1-425-943-7320 U.S. NW 1-888-787-5387 U.S Toll Free-high cost Access code: 144 619 4513 Global call-in numbers | Toll-free calling restrictions Join by mobile CCM:+14259437320x1446194513# Can't join the meeting? Contact support. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Tim Murphy Senior Technical Fellow Communications, Navigation and Surveillance - BCA - Airplane Systems Office (425) 965-6744 - Cell (425) 280-6844 - Fax (425) 342-5812 [http://brandcenter-dev.web.boeing.com/common/images/boeing_logo_email.gif] From: Capretti, Alessandro [mailto:ACapretti at icao.int] Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 7:25 AM To: Capretti, Alessandro ; Adrio Taucer (adrio.taucer at tc.gc.ca) ; benoit.roturier at aviation-civile.gouv.fr; Bodero Alonso, Ana (abodero at enaire.es) ; DiBenedetto, Mike (dibenede at ohio.edu) ; E. Chatre ; I.Banyasz ; J. Bollard ; J. Hermens (jules.hermens at ilent.nl) ; Julien Lapie ; Johan van Schalkwyk ; K. Alexander ; K. Matsuda ; korchagin_va at comtv.ru; M. Grandt ; M. Scaramuzza ; Nick Hall ; Noppadol Pringvanich ; P. Singh ; QinZhi ; R. Abregu ; S. Naerlich ; Murphy (US), Tim ; V. Santos da Silva ; Vasco Locci ; W. Lim ; W.K. Lo Cc: CASTRILLO MERLAN Natalia EXT (Natalia.CASTRILLOMERLAN at gsa.europa.eu) ; Barbara Clark ; Felix.Butsch at dfs.de; Gary Berz ; Mikael Mabilleau Subject: [EXTERNAL] Webex invitations for NSP/6 - Part 1 - Word format This message was sent from outside of Boeing. Please do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know that the content is safe. Dear colleagues The attached Word file contains all the Webex invitations for NSP/6 (17 in total over ten working days). You may have already received some or all of them directly from the organizers. Please make available to your advisors as required (I am only sending this message to panel members). The file is also available on the NSP website, both as a link from WP/1 (Agenda) and as a direct link from the meeting announcement on the panel home page. I will also send separately the same invitations in MS Outlook format, which is probably more convenient in some respects and contains more details (eg phone numbers) but did not work for everyone in the past. I hope that at least one of the formats work for you. Let me know if you encounter any problems. Finally, I take the opportunity to thank Mikael, Natalia and Felix for actually setting up the Webexes. Best regards Alessandro -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 3116 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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